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46 comments
Bogdan
Hello with this system do you risk 2% per trade meaning if you have 1000$ you set the stop loss at 20$ and you can’t risk or loose more than 20$. Meaning that you risk per point a maximum of 0.38$. Meaning if the platform allows a minimum of 2$ per point that’s all I trade because it’s a lot above 0.38$. Thanks
Mark Rose
My results is for the number of points profit the trades made. To calculate a £ profit, you would need to multiply this by your stake, which of course will vary between users depending on their trading bank size.
Using your £1000/2% example.
£20 risk per trade.
Stop loss of 52 pips.
£20/52= £0.38 per point stake.
As you have identified this would likely be below the minimum stake offered by most broker, which is often 50p in the UK, but hopefully you get the idea.
Kind regards,
Mark Rose
Bogdan
Hello,
Yes my broker IG also has 0.5£ per point. But what I was really asking and want to know is can you with the A-B system bet daily 20£ per point. What is the maximum amount that you can bet with if you have a 1000£ bank. What’s the max amount allowed per point?
Thank you
Mark Rose
I think taking the time to understand a little bit about margin would be useful for you.
I have written about this in the articles below.
https://tradersbulletin.co.uk/what-is-margin/
https://tradersbulletin.co.uk/understand-margin-trading-risk/
https://tradersbulletin.co.uk/new-esma-margin-rules/
Kind regards,
Mark
john dolder
anyone got any recent results on this system or has everyone given up ?
David Hudson
I have been trading A-B since 14/1/2019 (after a lapse of over a year). In summary I have traded on 22 days and had a 73% success rate. My capital has increased by 3.7% since that date.
I must point out that I missed 15 days trading whilst away on holiday. There is though one very interesting statistic in all this and that is that there have been 21 days when no trade has been signalled.
David
Mark Rose
Our A minus B trial has now been running for 6 months, I think this is the most thorough independent review of the system that’s available.
In this time we have placed 72 trades.
47 have won
25 have lost
We have made 504.7 points profit
Regards,
Mark
Sandy
Dear Mark & Barry,
Thank you for coming back to me – much appreciated. I have been using this A minus B for a couple of months and its a a great strategy to have which does not take much time to do each day. I use Yahoo Finance and hence why we have some trade discrepancies.
Thank you
Sandy
Stephen F
Thank you Mark & Barry for your efforts on this – great to see some realistic figures for a trading method rather than the usual fluff
Stephen Spray
Surely the total is greater than +327?
Sandy
Hi there Barry & Mark,
Firstly, thank you for you efforts with this review. I have bought the A minus B and just wanted to clarify a couple of things. I do not want to give away the set up but on my results, I had two valid set ups on the 11th Feb and 19th Feb – both were short set ups. On your results, I note that you state No Trade. Just wanted to know if I am missing something on my side?
Thank you
Sandy
Mark Rose
Hi Sandy,
I’ve taken a look at these two trades and spoken to Barry.
Please remember Barry is totally independent from either me or John Piper and receives no income for letting me post his results. His results need to be seen in the context of an independent testers best efforts, that may vary from your own.
Having said that and having looked at a few brokers for the trade on the 11th, some brokers prices didn’t retrace enough to trigger the trade. Barry is using Corespreads, who are one of the brokers that didn’t.
The discrepancy on the trade from the 19th is between the closing price on Core v’s the closing price on Yahoo. These are about 10 points apart. Yahoo would trigger a trade, Core didn’t.
Regards,
Mark
Basil Croeser
Mark,
I tried A – B a couple of years ago and returned it as there was not one valid trade in the entire trial period. John says he’s tweaked the system and the returns are quite mind blowing. Is this just another of Piper’s pipe dreams or is it worth the time and money to try it once more? I trust you but have serious reservations about JP.
Best to you and yours this Christmas, health and a great 2019.
Basil Croeser.
Martyn Young
Hi John
This system is the same as Krautgap and has been re-named not to upset our German friends!!!! and I too purchased it and also struggled to make it pay
Martyn
john dolder
Mark,
I paid John Piper for the Krout gap system a few years back and struggled to make it pay , though i’m not saying it can’t be made to work.
This to me seems a copy of that system under a different name which i think is a bit of a con. as there was no mention of that in the promotion.
Can you confirm that this is the same system which i have now been charged twice for ?
John
Tym
Hi Mark
How much did slippage etc affect your trial please
Mark Rose
Hi Tym,
Our results are live forward tested so include all slippage and spread costs.
Kind regards,
Mark
Michael Dougall
Be VERY wary of ‘glowing’ reviews on sites like Cashmaster, MMR, Betting Rant, etc.
All of these sites make money through affiliate links to the product … how truly objective do you really believe these reviews are likely to be?
If only there was a truly neutral, non-affiliate review site that could be fully trusted!
Mark Rose
Hi Michael,
We test things properly here at Traders Bulletin.
Barry, who is testing A minus B for us, is totally independent from us and receives no income from us or John Piper for doing the review.
If things pass, we promote them, if they don’t then we won’t.
Regards,
Mark Rose
Richard
I had a look at this when proscript (Richard Clark) was promoting it. Most of the information you could get for free from places like Citi Index where they have free videos. Main issue I had was you had to be able to log onto the internet between 07.45 and 08.00 each morning to get the closing and opening figures. The manual also advised checking the index during the morning in case you needed to close your position – not quite a 5 minutes per day system.
AndrewN
I have been using this for 3 months (97days in fact) and I am up £872.50 on £5/pt. It is not consistent income. There are weeks and a whole month where conditions were not right eg around time of UK and French elections and when DAX hit a bull run when gaps did not close or market went entirely the wrong way causing stop losses. I just pulled back and monitored the indicators until sanity returned. There is a Slack group for users a-minus-b.slack.com. You will need to answer a question based on the system to get in to ensure you have purchased the system. It is independent of John Piper but he is on the group.
andy
Basil,
interesting comments,
over on Cash Master they are praising it, same on MMR now called The Betting Rant
Wonder which is correct ?
Mark Rose
Hi Andy,
Have you seen posts from members who have been trading it (not paper trading)?
The system has been around for a while now, so hopefully there are some longer-term reviews out there.
When I looked it worked well when back tested, but struggled more in the live environment due to slippage and sometimes quite risky reward/risk profiles.
Regards,
Mark
Mark Rose
To qualify this statement of mine above – I have to admit it was based on limited trading with the product some time ago. We have now run a thorough 10-week trial, and the results of this (which include costs) are shown above.
andy
seen some glowing testimonials (from the publishers ) and the tester on cashmaster is very happy with it, but then again there are posts like the one above that say it loses consistently.
so still none the wiser
Basil Croeser
Please lads/lasses save your money. This is another totally useless system trotted out by John Piper. I’ve been around for 15 years but using the pseudonym David Houghton he caught me and I bought A Minus B. I returned it to Angora after a month. The minimum gap (10 Points) indicating a trade did not materialise once in an entire month. Like other Piper trading systems this one looks on in theory but falls flat in practise.
JohnADE
John Piper, the author of this system, will be running a seminar in May in the UK.
It is a system trading the opening gap on the DAX. I have paper traded it and from results I have seen it works well some times and less well at others. Seasonalities, e.g. summer months and December are suggested by JP as poorer times of performance. While the essence of the system is very simple, there are a number of filters to weed out weaker trades, and running the system as ever requires discipline and sound money management. It’s from the same stable as gap trading by Mark Austin and Cameron Malik. All these guys are the real thing. I trade the FTSE and Dow opens myself, and plan to incorporate A-B/Krautgap later this year after more experience paper trading.
Gary
Hi Mark and other contributors,
Any other further updates on this A minus B trading system? Agora Financial publishers are pushing this product at the moment..
Regards Gary
Mark Rose
Hi Gary,
It’s been sometime since I looked at this. From what i remember it was a good system in theory, but by the time you had taken slippage, spreads and risk/rewards into account, it didn’t work as well in practise.
Regards,
Mark
Mark Rose
Am happy to have been proved wrong on this point!
Now that we’ve run a thorough test, I’m pleased to see profits adding up, even with costs taken into account.
Our tester (Barry) is completely independent from Trader’s Bulletin and from John Piper. He plans to continue trading A Minus B, so I hope to be able to update performance stats going forward.
Paul
Apologies for above gaff. This is actually promoted by David and NOT Matt Houghton. Apologies Matt
Paul
How is it some people say they make money ( Matt Houghton claims to make over £200 per day… yeah right) and some like William above states that he consistently lost over 3 months of trading? They can’t both be right. However I do tend to lead toward William as he has not got any sales page to push at me.
Other review sites claim this is good and yet many users claim otherwise. Just wish I could sort the wheat from the chaff
william
i purchased this last year and it consistently lost money,i stopped using it after 3months you can buy mine if you wish at a discount!
Carlos
Hi, do you have an email so that we can speak?
regards
Carlos
Do you have an email to speak to?
regards
ben speed
William
What price are you selling it for?
andy
William,
no thank’s, I’ve other ways to loose money, sorry to hear you have, but you confirm that,yet again, the only people to make money from these systems are the system sellers.
But they keep coming back and people keep buying
It’s all so attractive on the sales page…………………………
Andy
Carlos
Do you have an email to speak to?
regards
andy
This is doing the rounds again, being promoted by Profit Watch, so anyone got any updates ? John W perhaps ?
Paul
Anybody going to answer the questions above? I would be interested to know more
Julie
Does the A minus B system bring in consistent profits though?
nick
Hi Mark, great site!! Are you still reviewing this system? it has had an excellent review over at moremoneyreview and was wondering what you thought of it so far….it seems a little too good to be true on the sales page and you know what they say about things that seem too good to be true…
p.s is the heading ‘strategies we’re using’ the ones in your personal portfolio? recommended basically?
Thanks keep up the excellent work!!
John W
I’ve been using this A-B system since September 2014, and have to say that it is quite the best system I’ve ever come across in over ten years of searching and studying courses, DVDs, seminars, systems etc etc.
The greatest thing about it is that it has shown itself to be pretty consistent over the long term (almost eight months as I write this). I know that this is not exactly Long term as such, but it is long enough to give me a lot of confidence when I put it in to practice.
The hardest thing for me is to maintain discipline.
John Piper writes a very concise and very pertinent piece on psychology in the final chapter of the A-B book, which talks about how to be mindful of falling into traps of ‘feeling omnipotent’ after having several wins.
Even despite my poor discipline, I’m still very happy with the results over all, and as with all the systems I’ve tried, I keep a detailed spreadsheet to help me with compounding my staking and to give me a written reminder of what I’ve done right and what I’ve done wrong.
I would highly recommend this to anyone who loves trading.
olufunke
Hi dear. I like to know more about this. The author of the program says u only need to be able to subtract one number from the other. Is it that simple? Or I have to know much about analysis or other things?
Thanks for your help.
askforinfo
Any chance of showing us your spreadsheet so we can see the win/loss numbers you are getting
Justin
This is apparently a rebranded version of the KrautGap system by John Piper. There’s lots of info on it, quite a lot of which links back to the ‘A minus B’ pages. It seems to be spread betting on the DAX using a GAP analysis.